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  • #15511

    anonymous
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    I just finished watching the first episode of Season 2.  I thought it was quite good.  What did other folks think?  Any thoughts about “The Woman?”  Sherlock's reactions to her?  Did he remain the Virgin brother?Laura

  • #17647

    Chris
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    I watched the second series when it was broadcast on British tv in January. Sherlock is among the top 20 of the best of British television of all time and I would certainly recommend this to anyone who is a fan of Sherlock Holmes….heck, I would just recommend this, full stop! Laura, are you referring to Irene Adler as 'the woman' from the episode 'A Scandal in Belgravia', which is based on the story 'A Scandal in Bohemia'? Thoughts about the character in what way? Have you seen all the other episodes from both series? We will have to wait another year before series 3 starts but it will be worth waiting for.

  • #17648

    anonymous
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    ChrisI was referring to the dominatrix in the first episode of season 2.  I can't recall the name of the episode.  I was trying to be vague in case folks hadn't had a chance to catch the episode, yet.  I wonder if what we see here on our public TV is the same, unedited version of what you saw on British TV.  I thought it was skillful the way the woman was filmed in her "battledress" (naked) without revealing much.  I thought the episode was clever on many levels, particularly when Sherlock was forced to figure out the combination to the safe in the woman's house by guessing her measurements, while John has a gun pointed at his head.  The actor playing Sherlock does a great job, I think.  I just wish they made more episodes/season.

  • #17649

    Chris
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    ChrisI was referring to the dominatrix in the first episode of season 2.  I can't recall the name of the episode.  I was trying to be vague in case folks hadn't had a chance to catch the episode, yet.  I wonder if what we see here on our public TV is the same, unedited version of what you saw on British TV.  I thought it was skillful the way the woman was filmed in her "battledress" (naked) without revealing much.  I thought the episode was clever on many levels, particularly when Sherlock was forced to figure out the combination to the safe in the woman's house by guessing her measurements, while John has a gun pointed at his head.  The actor playing Sherlock does a great job, I think.  I just wish they made more episodes/season.

    The dominatrix is Irene Adler and the episode was 'A Scandal in Belgravia', so yes, we have seen the same thing. Belgravia is a rather posh and insanely expensive borough in London, so the house she was living in in real life would cost millions of £s, maybe £5m or more. The show is indeed very clever and I am not surprised with the minds of Mark Gatiss and Steven Moffat behind the steering wheel of the whole project. Both have worked together on Dr Who, writing and directing and I don't know if you ever saw a rather strange and acquired taste tv series called The League of Gentlemen; it was written by Jeremy Dyson, Mark Gatiss, Reece Sheersmith and Steve Pemberton, from the excellent series Whitechapel. But I digress, the 'cleverness' of the show is something that drew me in straight away as I am a fan of Conan Doyle and liked the work of Mark Gatiss and Steven Moffat.....I knew this would be intelligent enough to get the grey matter working a little harder than normal. It has been well received in the UK and I am glad to hear some folks across the pond are enjoying it too. Usually in the UK if anything is shown after the 9pm watershed then any kind of nudity, whether male or female, is accepted. It doesn't happen that often but full frontal does occur from time to time and bad language and dark subject matters as seen in shows like Wire in the Blood and Waking the Dead are commonplace. Basically, as long as it doesn't overstep the mark and it is shown after 9pm, anything goes. Do things get censored in the States then?Benedict Cumberbatch is great as Sherlock and I have been a fan of Martin Freeman for some years now, particularly as Arthur Dent in the movie version of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and as Tim in The Office. I can't wait for The Hobbit to be released this December as Martin plays Bilbo Baggins.If you watch the other two episodes from this series let me know what you think. More episodes would be great but they are 90 minutes long!

  • #17650

    anonymous
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    I appreciate your perspective on the show, actors and writers of the Sherlock series.  I don't have the history with the actors that you do.  This is my first exposure to both of the actors.  I found Episode 2 quite intense and scary.  A friend at work told me that his wife had to change the channel because she was too frightened.  I thought the story was perhaps the best of the episodes I have seen, to date.  I did read “The Hound of the Baskervilles” a few years ago in preparation for my first trip to London.  I have not seen the other productions of the story.  I loved how the writers updated it.  That H.O.U.N.D. stood for something that seemed rather plausible (and might even be true – the CIA has done lots of things we probably will never know about).  As a psychologist, I was taken in by the intense emotional reaction Sherlock had to being afraid.  What confused me was the very short shot at the end of the episode that showed Moriarty.  I don't recall his role in the original story.  Did he have a hand in creating the situation that Sherlock found himself in?  I am really looking forward to the third show.  I realize that 90 minutes might be long for a show, but I consider the BBC produced programs to be the best on TV, here.  We cut cable TV two years ago because the cost was just hard to justify.  I was initially exited to get the channel BBC America.  Turns out it is basically a glorified Home and Garden channel.  None of the kinds of shows that I wanted to see (like Sherlock and Downton Abby) were on.  I have actually enjoyed Netflix streaming because I have watched several British, Irish and Scottish TV shows.I will have to check out the show you mentioned in your post.  I am always looking for quality TV.  I am biased in that I find the majority of what is on American TV to be crap.  Public TV, which shows BBC shows, is my favorite channel and fortunately is not on cable.

  • #17651

    Jamie
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    I am biased in that I find the majority of what is on American TV to be crap. 

    Laura, check out Arrested Development and Archer.  For more gritty stuff, maybe The Shield or The Wire.  Also pretty much any series produced by HBO.  There are some fantastic shows in the US.  :)

  • #17652

    anonymous
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    I agree that HBO does produce very good shows.  However,  I am no longer a cable TV subscriber.  I guess I meant American TV as referring to network TV.  I am at the mercy of Netflix for when I can get good shows, like those produced on HBO.  I didn't mean to sound so harsh about American TV.  It is just frustrating to me to watch what I think is such a quality program, like Sherlock, and compare that with the non-cable faire being offered in the US.

  • #17653

    drewster81
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    I think US network TV has really good comedies (Community, Parks and Rec, etc.).  But yes, many, many network shows can get bad, especially when it comes to dramas.  I think it's a matter of so many shows getting thrown out there.  The Good Wife is supposed to be excellent, though.  I know there are others, but it's slipping my mind.  I've definitely held to the oft-repeated mantra here in the States that British TV is inherently better or more intelligent.  However, a viewing of Hollyoaks quickly disabused me of this.  Even so, perhaps because there are fewer eps, then more time and care is given.  Plus, British television isn't slavishly devoted to “seasons”.  It's interesting that with the cable model becoming more and more acceptable, that the biggest “hits” on American TV rarely air during the normal Sept-May “season”.Anyway, I watched the second series of Sherlock earlier this year through....other means, even though I live in the States.  It's incredible.  My favorite ep was the Irene Adler one, if only because Steven Moffat's stories are so wonderfully twisty.  I'm just in love with how well it came across.  The Hounds ep wasn't all that good to me, even if it had some good atmosphere.  I really liked the last ep...I just felt that it peaked so early that I held it to a super-high standard.And Chris, yes, it does get censored over here, but it's weird because PBS (the station that broadcasts it) actually cuts the time off of random scenes so it can meet some schedule that doesn't make any sense to me.  They did the same to Downton Abbey's first season, where they took 8 episodes and turned them into 4 hour and a half episodes (I'm probably remembering this wrong but it was something like that.).I did just get through a marathon, 60-day viewing of The Wire, since I've waited for years to see it.  I have to say, British, American or whatever...it is probably the single best TV show I've ever seen.  I know a lot of people say it, and I try to avoid groupthink....but WOW.

  • #17654

    Chris
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    I found Episode 2 quite intense and scary.......I thought the story was perhaps the best of the episodes I have seen, to date.......I have not seen the other productions of the story.  I loved how the writers updated it.

    I have always loved 'The Hound of the Baskervilles' and thought this rendition, 'The Hounds of Baskerville' was very different indeed but quite refreshing. Not my favourite of three from series 2 because of the differences between this and the Basil Rathbone / Nigel Bruce original movie, but all the same a great episode.

    What confused me was the very short shot at the end of the episode that showed Moriarty.  I don't recall his role in the original story.  Did he have a hand in creating the situation that Sherlock found himself in?

    I can't quite remember I would have to watch it again. His release from a prison cell sets the story up for the last episode of series 2, which I thought was the best of the three with Moriarty on fine form. I can't give anything away if others are interesting watching it.

  • #17655

    Chris
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    I think US network TV has really good comedies (Community, Parks and Rec, etc.).  But yes, many, many network shows can get bad, especially when it comes to dramas.  I think it's a matter of so many shows getting thrown out there.  The Good Wife is supposed to be excellent, though.  I know there are others, but it's slipping my mind.  I've definitely held to the oft-repeated mantra here in the States that British TV is inherently better or more intelligent.  However, a viewing of Hollyoaks quickly disabused me of this.  Even so, perhaps because there are fewer eps, then more time and care is given. 

    In the UK (and Drew you already know this having already lived here for some time) we watch a lot of US tv, especially on SKY. There's loads of excellent US programmes we (my girlfriend and I) enjoy watching on Freesat, comedies and dramas alike. However, I did find the Hollyoaks dig amusing. In the UK we do actually make a lot of crap tv as well as the decent stuff too. At the moment we seem to be thriving on reality tv and such the like, which I find utterly appalling and a total waste of money, not to mention the horrendous soaps that continually ooze out of the collective nostril of our society like baby with a runny nose (sorry for image I just put in your head) depicting nothing but misery and unbelievable plots, and don't even get me started on game shows.....total drivel.....and this is what the public wants! Surely not, and the BBC still has the UK population paying the out-dated and thoroughly unwanted tv license. At least some of that money goes into paying for some quality television. British tv is not necessarily better or more intelligent generally speaking but I do believe it is at the forefront of quality drama and documentary making.....farewell to the genius that is David Attenborough!! He will be missed in his retirement.Anyway, back to Sherlock. A Scandal in Belgravia was immense fun to watch I must admit because of Steven Moffat's sheer excellence in writing coupled with the brilliant acting. Irene Adler has been an intriguing character ever since I first read of her doings in the original 'A Scandal in Bohemia'; she will always be an attractive, intelligent and devilishly fiendish counterpart to Sherlock, although Moriarty is much more sinister.

  • #17656

    drewster81
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    Oh, I agree.  I think there are loads of crap programming coming out of the UK, for sure.  I was more talking about the perception I'd held for so long.  I looked back at how I typed that and realize it wasn't phrase correctly.I do want to make a distinction.  I think what Laura was talking about were network shows versus cable shows.  There are amazing television shows on our cable networks (which are channels that we have to pay for, either in bulk or singularly, like HBO).  The networks are basically free, so they have to work harder for the advertising dollars to keep themselves propped up.  Therefore, they tend to have programming that is more rigid and less "artistic".  This isn't always the case, of course, and excellent stuff does come out of them.  (Hello, The Simpsons, Seinfeld, far too many more for me to name.)  But they spew out a lot of generic crap as well along with the usual terrible shows that tons of people watch, and that lowest circle of hell, the reality show, with its sub-divisions of "competition" and "trashy insane people".

  • #17657

    Chris
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    ......and that lowest circle of hell, the reality show, with its sub-divisions of "competition" and "trashy insane people".

    I couldn't have said that better myself!!  ;)I am just glad that every now and again (on both sides of the Atlantic) there are some truly amazing tv dramas that blow your mind away and really get you thinking about what you are watching. Roll on series 3 of Sherlock and let the story continue. Shame we have to wait about another year for that to happen  :(

  • #17658

    drewster81
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    Oh, I know.  I can't wait to see what they do next.  I also love that Sherlock and Watson will be playing Smaug/The Necromancer and Bilbo in The Hobbit.  It would be great if they got Steven Moffat to ghost-write the scene between Smaug and Bilbo. ;)Also...I have a theory about the end of Series 2.  I won't share it publicly or reference what it's about.  But I think it's pretty sound. :)

  • #17659

    Chris
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    Oh, I know.  I can't wait to see what they do next.  I also love that Sherlock and Watson will be playing Smaug/The Necromancer and Bilbo in The Hobbit.  It would be great if they got Steven Moffat to ghost-write the scene between Smaug and Bilbo. ;)

    I am sure Moffat would come up with something mind-blowing for them and they would play it to perfection but then the collaborative writing of Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens will certainly wow us equally, if not more. Waiting until December to see it is going to be tough but well worth the wait, not just for Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch but for the entire cast, not forgetting of course the excellent story and, most likely, insane special effects too.

    Also...I have a theory about the end of Series 2.  I won't share it publicly or reference what it's about.  But I think it's pretty sound. :)

    If you don't mind will you send me (and Laura too as I know she will be wanting to hear your views on this) a PM with your theory? Will be interesting to see what you have come up with  ;)

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