Avalon=Ynys Mon (Anglesey)

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  • #15688

    Jacob_Stevens
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    What do you guys think?  Could the island Ynys Mon (Mona, or Anglesey), be the basis for the legend of the Isle of Avalon spoken about in Arthurian myth?  It would certainly fit, seeing as how Avalon was known to be a center of spirituality (Druidic or otherwise).  Considering the spiritual importance of Mona to the native Britons, would this not be a plausible theory?  It certainly had that mystical, mysterious quality to the Britons.  What do you guys think?

  • #18547

    Jamie
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    I have /never/ considered this, and I'm actually kicking myself that I hadn't.  That really is an interesting thought.  But I know I tend to walk with a heavy step here, so I won't say too much and instead sit back and see what the rest of you think.  :)

  • #18548

    brian_toronto
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    This guy says he is an author and investigative journalist (anyone heard of him?), and seems to have researched it at least somewhat:http://www.philipcoppens.com/anglesey.htmlThe apples factoid appears to lend further credence to the theory.Also a number of other articles by the same author on ancient sites of interest:http://www.philipcoppens.com/articles.html

  • #18549

    Jacob_Stevens
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    That was some extremely fascinating reading.  I found particularly interesting the connection between the Anglesey's propensity for the growing of apples and the name “Avalon” referring to a place where apples are grown.  Furthermore, I think it extremely interesting how prominent the myth of the Lady of the Lake is in Arthurian legend.  Considering how important and sacred lakes were to the belief system of the Druids, it is no wonder that there is the inclusion of the Lady of the Lake in Arthurian myth.  What's thought-provoking are the large amounts of artifacts found in archaeological digs in dried lake beds, showing that the artifacts were thrown into the lake as sacrifices/gifts to appease their deities.  This bears significance to the tale of the sword Excalibur, which was brought up from the lake as a gift from the Lady of the Lake, then thrown back into the lake to be given back.  That is a fascinating connection there. 

  • #18550

    Mak
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    Like many things that people think part of the ancient Arthurian myth, the likes of Merlin, Morgana, roundtable, sword in the stone, Lady of the Lake, Holy Grail etc, are all later medieval additions to the myth. Not one of these makes an appearance in any early Welsh texts … which are the earliest we have. Whether they were part of the Breton tradition is a moot point, but they didn't start to appear until the after the 12th century when the Norman, Bretons and French got a hold of the legend.As for Avalon or Welsh Afalach, it is a mystical, mythical island in the western ocean, which is placed differently by the Bretons, Welsh, Cornish and Irish. They all may have had their own sitings for where it was, including Anglesey and Bardsey, but, again, it only appears with Geoffrey of Monmouth in the 12th century. If it was part of an earlier Welsh or British tradition it hasn't survived, and each region probably had there own ideas of where it was.Mak

  • #18551

    Mak
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    … forgot to mention that a tradition in Gwynedd has Arthur's sword Caledfwlch being thrown into Llyn (Lake) Llydaw in Snowdonia, where tradition also has Arthur's burial site at Carnedd (‘Cairn of’) Arthur. I'm not aware of any traditions associating him with Anglesey.Mak

  • #18552

    anonymous
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    I take a lot of things associated with Arthurian legends with a huge pinch of salt for the reasons that Mak has stated that they are all medieval additions. I was born and grew up in North Wales and there is not a lake that I know which doesn't have some kind of story/superstition of the other/fairy world. I'm not an expert on this but its probably got to do with the whole thing of places swords or things of value in lakes/bodies of water to give to the godsAs for Avalon, there are so many places (and many more popping up all the time) that claim to be the site of Avalon thats and I don't think there was just one place called Avalon and the place of Avalon was probably an amalgamation of different islands or groves where sacred things happen but also many celtic iron age communities used to live in crannogs which are man made islands in lakes

  • #18553

    Richard Lyle
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    I think he's talking mince. There is other stuff on his website about alien abduction and climate change conspiracies and faked moon landings. It talks to a certain lack of judgment.

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